Re: Low Oxalate Diet, a possible explanation for its effectiveness
Posted: Tue May 31, 2022 8:11 am
My explanation on oxalate is completely different. I have discussed this with notnowdad awhile back on other forums and we agree to disagree.
I have been constantly oxalate dumping for over 2 years now starting with numerous times per day and now just at night. My RLS has improved significantly with a strong correlation with dumping. Alcohol and coffee are good catalysts for dumping and very bad nights of RLS. I can also use a TENS machine with footpads and that also leads to great dumps and more bad RLS. So my RLS hell should end when I can get the oxalate all out and then manage oxalate to make sure it doesn't return, but for now I dump twice a week with bad nights and the rest are mild symptoms that let me return to sleeping enough to feel normal again.
Oxalate in my diet makes no difference.
I'm not part of the 'iron cult' as I call it for RLS, as iron is impacted by sleep deprivation just like dopamine. Oxalate binds with iron and disrupts iron processes in the body as others have mentioned but there is a very large cohort of people with oxalate issues as well as those with autism who have high oxalate and potential iron issues; but not high rates of RLS. So iron then becomes 'if susceptible', with all the other successful non iron treatments, as well as physical causes of RLS contradicting low iron as 'the cause', so the mental gymnastics for the iron cultists become bizarre or they are just hostile like most people online who can't accept opposing views.
So RLS seems to be purely neurological for some as part of a brain change with motor and sensory functions reacting to normal signals. But also for many such as venous insufficiency, nerve entrapment, after knee operations, MCAS and anecdotally fascia issues, RLS is a motor and sensory reaction to something physical. So maybe iron plays a part for the purely neurological and not for others.
My RLS is definitely physical as I can locate and treat the trigger points. These trigger points are created by oxalate dumping, or if you haven't cleared your kidneys enough for dumping it is from what I call 'oxalate modulation' as oxalate is moved to balance from storage, blood level and absorption from food. If dietary oxalate changes helps then you should investigate physical trigger points, and if you have physical trigger points or physical treatments make your RLS better of worse, then explore oxalate.
It is possible that some have non physical, purely neurological RLS from oxalate if low iron triggers a motor and sensory response, but forums are full of people who have tunnel vision and rigid view that everything has to be just one thing. RLS is best seen as a symptom, and oxalate may lead to numerous situations or conditions that create RLS symptoms.
I have been constantly oxalate dumping for over 2 years now starting with numerous times per day and now just at night. My RLS has improved significantly with a strong correlation with dumping. Alcohol and coffee are good catalysts for dumping and very bad nights of RLS. I can also use a TENS machine with footpads and that also leads to great dumps and more bad RLS. So my RLS hell should end when I can get the oxalate all out and then manage oxalate to make sure it doesn't return, but for now I dump twice a week with bad nights and the rest are mild symptoms that let me return to sleeping enough to feel normal again.
Oxalate in my diet makes no difference.
I'm not part of the 'iron cult' as I call it for RLS, as iron is impacted by sleep deprivation just like dopamine. Oxalate binds with iron and disrupts iron processes in the body as others have mentioned but there is a very large cohort of people with oxalate issues as well as those with autism who have high oxalate and potential iron issues; but not high rates of RLS. So iron then becomes 'if susceptible', with all the other successful non iron treatments, as well as physical causes of RLS contradicting low iron as 'the cause', so the mental gymnastics for the iron cultists become bizarre or they are just hostile like most people online who can't accept opposing views.
So RLS seems to be purely neurological for some as part of a brain change with motor and sensory functions reacting to normal signals. But also for many such as venous insufficiency, nerve entrapment, after knee operations, MCAS and anecdotally fascia issues, RLS is a motor and sensory reaction to something physical. So maybe iron plays a part for the purely neurological and not for others.
My RLS is definitely physical as I can locate and treat the trigger points. These trigger points are created by oxalate dumping, or if you haven't cleared your kidneys enough for dumping it is from what I call 'oxalate modulation' as oxalate is moved to balance from storage, blood level and absorption from food. If dietary oxalate changes helps then you should investigate physical trigger points, and if you have physical trigger points or physical treatments make your RLS better of worse, then explore oxalate.
It is possible that some have non physical, purely neurological RLS from oxalate if low iron triggers a motor and sensory response, but forums are full of people who have tunnel vision and rigid view that everything has to be just one thing. RLS is best seen as a symptom, and oxalate may lead to numerous situations or conditions that create RLS symptoms.