I'll Sleep When I'm Dead

tazzer · Post by **tazzer** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:46 pm

speaking of records , those big black round objects that music comes out of when you stick a needle on it and spin it round! they have come up with a new gadget that you can record all your albums to ipod type thing. just think your scratches and squeaks all in digital sound. woohoo

hmmm lyrics i like jimmy buffett

margaritaville!!

favorite line blew out my flip flop, stepped on a pop top, cut my heel had to cruuuuuuuze on back home!

you have to admit that tune just makes you feel good when you hear it, just picture yourself laying on the beach and sucking down margarita's
sigh!

lol ok that ought to get u going R

dee

Walking After Midnight · Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:34 pm

tazzer wrote:favorite line blew out my flip flop, stepped on a pop top, cut my heel had to cruuuuuuuze on back home!
dee

It's a classic Tazmania...no less, and it DOES make you feel good.

Wait, did I just agree with you? oh boy.

Josh (or anyone else)...my prescription says Hydrocodone/APAP
Is that the bad stuff...the APAP? or am I OK?
I know you've probably explained this to me before, I just have a hard time with the technical stuff. Sorry.

Hos · Post by **Hos** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:57 pm

Yeah, you're taking the one with Tylenol. For instance, if it says "HYDROCODONE/APAP TABS 10/500" then yer taking the unnecessary 500 mg. of Tylenol and 10 mg. of the "good stuff."

I think codine and hydromorphone are examples of pain meds without tylenol but I'm not sure about that part.

FidgetBoy · Post by **FidgetBoy** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:52 pm

Yep- you got it right, hos. The following are oral narcs that are available withOUT tylenol (APAP, acetaminophen):

Codeine, hydromorphone (dilaudid), methadone, oxycodone or oxycontin, morphine or ms contin. Meperidine (demerol) is also available oral but no-one uses it due to it's abuse potential and propensity for seizures.

The active component in vicodin (hydrocodone) is NOT available here in the US without tylenol added to it.

tazzer · Post by **tazzer** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:45 am

i'm like bread mold Randy, I grow on ya! lol

dee

sardsy75 · Post by **sardsy75** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:13 am

Stupid question time:

Tylenol = Paracetamol = Ibuprofen?

In the general OTC "lower order" pain medicine sense that is ...

Its a pain when a lot of the OTC names are a$$-about and mean totally different things in different countries too.

I take up to 3 x Nurofen Plus (ibuprofen/codeine - 500mg/12.8mg) in addition to my Requip/Repreve.

I dont think i'd have any problems getting a script for straight codeine ... however I think i'd have to do the "hard sell" on my GP for anything above that, e.g. Tramadol

Neco · Post by **Neco** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:38 am

Tylenol / Paracetamol = acetaminophen

Ibueprofen is things like Advil / Motrin, etc. It is an anti inflammatory (NSAID)

And just because. Naproxen sodium = Aleve,etc. also an NSAID

I actually had an argument with my brother the other week about how Tylenol is NOT Aspirin... lol. So much for reading the label huh ?

As long as you are not taking other sources of Ibuprofen you should be fine

sardsy75 · Post by **sardsy75** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:00 am

Thanks for clearing that up for me Zach.

I've tended to stick to the ibuprofen/codeine mix with nurofen plus simply because when my RLS kicks in at a great rate of knots, the ibuprofen helps my hips and knees, which usually take the brunt of all the attacks, recover a lil more quickly ... and I dont have to reach for the walking stick so often.

Also, it's the OTC pain-killer with the most codeine in it at 12.8mg/tablet

The rest range down from there to around 6mg/tablet.

Neco · Post by **Neco** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:16 pm

Heh, at least you can get it OTC at all

I personally stay away from NSAIDs because they tend to be harder on the GI tract, and I have IBS, so.. That's how that goes.

tazzer · Post by **tazzer** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:41 pm

NSAIDS never work on me.

dee

brandy · Post by **brandy** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:57 pm

Am I mistaken, or is codeine not actually stronger than Tramadol? In the States, I think codeine falls in the "controlled substance" category, whereas Tramadol does not. I might be wrong on this, though. Tramadol works for my RLS and I'm allergic to codeine so I don't take it. I just didn't want you to be on something stronger than necessary if Tramadol would do the trick and I also didn't want you to not get the help you need as a result of misinformation.

Neco · Post by **Neco** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:27 pm

Tramadol is not currently on the DEA schedule list, so technically I guess it -could- be sold OTC, but basically a lot of people think it is "way less addicting" or not addicting at all.

In terms of strength, I would say in my case tramadol proved to be stronger than codeine for my RLS symptom resolution, as I can attain the same amount of resolution as I do with hydrocodone or more potent opiates.

It definitely has addictive potential in my eyes, and frankly, through personal experience. I stopped it due to a nasty side effect I developed as a result more than moderate dosing, which interestingly enough, jacked up my hydrocodone tolerance, contrary to anecdotal evidence.

You can get it OTC in other countries I believe, but I don't know which ones.. Probably Mexico or something at the least