Painful RLS

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Painful RLS

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I have always had the creepy crawly RLS with a STRONG urge to move - so strong that if you try to avoid it, I swear I move involuntarily. When people talk of painful RLS, I had not idea what that felt like. Maybe I do, now.

In the last few weeks, I wake up in the night and my legs feel tight and they hurt. I am usually curled up at this point. I stretch out my legs and during all of this I have an urge to move, to stretch, to straighten, to shake. The pain is hard to describe - somewhat achy, definitely constant, and it goes away mostly when I move. It is much easier to deal with - so far - than the electrical kind.

I have to wonder what it is, though. And why. Is it RLS? And, if so, how many of us have both electrical and painful types, especially when you only had one to start? I also am wondering if this is augmentation. I am pushing it with the DA - I am almost out of meds and cannot get any until I have my annual this Friday. I did not want to run out of methadone, so I have been very stingy with it, making me use the DA for longer than I would have normally.
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Sounds more like augmentation to me. Recently when I stopped my oxy and DA, it took awhile, but I am so much better now. Both drugs were urging me on to take more of them and when the RLS and PLMs would hit they were so much stronger each time. Now, I am just taking the methadone. Taking it early has stopped the hyperalertness. Or maybe I am just in a good period. Who knows. In a week or less, I might be complaining again of not sleeping. The withdrawal with both meds wasn't bad, only because I was limiting them so much.
Hope you figure it out. Of course, the stress that you are under right now doesn't help at all.

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I have always had augmentation be more of the electrical feeling and more involuntary movements. This just seems so different from anything I have had before.
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There always seems to something new all the time.

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I get the painful kind sometimes, but very rarely, and it never seems to be as strong as my usual electrical kind. It always takes me some minutes before I realize that it's WED, and the only thing that clues me in is the urge to move. It's otherwise clearly a pain, albeit a deep ache that seems to have no cause.
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ViewsAskew wrote:I have always had the creepy crawly RLS with a STRONG urge to move - so strong that if you try to avoid it, I swear I move involuntarily. When people talk of painful RLS, I had not idea what that felt like. Maybe I do, now.

In the last few weeks, I wake up in the night and my legs feel tight and they hurt. I am usually curled up at this point. I stretch out my legs and during all of this I have an urge to move, to stretch, to straighten, to shake. The pain is hard to describe - somewhat achy, definitely constant, and it goes away mostly when I move. It is much easier to deal with - so far - than the electrical kind.

I have to wonder what it is, though. And why. Is it RLS? And, if so, how many of us have both electrical and painful types, especially when you only had one to start? I also am wondering if this is augmentation. I am pushing it with the DA - I am almost out of meds and cannot get any until I have my annual this Friday. I did not want to run out of methadone, so I have been very stingy with it, making me use the DA for longer than I would have normally.


my RLS has always been predominated by pain, which partly explained why it took so long to diagnose. Is your pain sort of like a deep constant achy feeling deep in the bones? like an itch that you can't reach ?

That has been my experience of painful RLS. Rentless before I started on ropinirole, to the point that I had thoughts of cutting my legs off. Tramadol works for me with this sort of pain temporarily, although with the ropinirole, the frequency is reduced. If I was woken up by the pain, the tramadol works and when the pain melts away, I sort of fall asleep

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yeah, I would say it is an achy pain - mostly constant - and I would say it is about bone deep. It reminded me of two other times in my life. The first was clonazepam withdrawal - shakes, vomiting and a deep ache in my hip bones. The second was when I was so low in vitamin D - something like a 6 or 8 - my bones hurt all throughout my body. This is similar to both of those. As Beth said, for me the indication that it must be RLS is the urge to move. It has awakened me every night for a couple weeks, now.
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My RLS used to be really painful, but turned to the creepy-crawlies when I brought my vitamin D levels up. When I reacted/augmented on Requip and Mirapex, it was painful like someone lit my legs on fire, along with having to literally dance around to control the urge to move. I hate this disorder, and what you/we have to put up with!
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as long as pain disrupts sleep, it needs to be dealt with - rls or not!

strangely after my recent IV iron, it's no longer painful, but has transformed into an inability to sit still

Ann: do you think it's worth checking out possibly some minerals that your body might be lacking?

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It's interesting that both Susan and Ann felt the painful kind when they had low vitamin D, and the electrical kind once D levels were raised.
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Fuz-mind, I have - sadly - no low minerals except low serum ferritin. I do get regular IV iron (have had three) and it helps, thankfully, but does not eliminate. I get about a 50% reduction in meds, which makes me very happy.
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badnights wrote:It's interesting that both Susan and Ann felt the painful kind when they had low vitamin D, and the electrical kind once D levels were raised.


I agree - have not heard anyone say that before. Both the depression and bone pain lifted when I increased the D. But, the depression lasted - in mild to severe - for almost five years. It lightened when I increased the D, as well as when I took an AD for a few months. It wasn't until I realized I was talking to strangers and had joy and excitement at levels I had forgotten about that I realized just how long I felt less than optimal. Not sure how much is WED related, iron related, D related, stress related, etc. But, seems likely all were part of it.
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It’s 2:00am and I’m on holiday but my RLS doesn’t know that. I’ve been reading unread posts, don’t know how I missed this one as my RLS has always been the painful kind from long before I took any medication. Just pain, pain, pain. My vitamin D level is perfect.

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oh well, there goes that theory. It was only a sample of two anyway.
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My RLS is painful on some nights. I feel it in my hips & it reminds me of a toothache. I have back issues that show up as hip pain & my neurosurgeon says the pain & RLS are neurally connected. On those nights with pain I sit in my chair with the heating pad across my lap rocking back & forth waiting for the oxycodone to take affect. I also have the urge to move with the pain. I take D and I get the results of my ferritin level tomorrow.

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