Well, this is really funny. For people who live in moldy houses, I read the following this morning:
Periodic limb movement disorders and spells of profound muscle weakness due to airborne and dietary factors in humans.
Gerrard JW, Richardson JS.
Department of Pediatrics, College of Medicine, University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, SK, Canada.
Periodic limb movement disorders and the restless legs syndrome, generally considered to be sleep disorders, have a combined prevalence of almost 10% of the general population and are more common in women than in men. Although reduced dopamine activity in central nervous system motor control pathways seems to play a role, little, other than a list of associated risk factors, is known about the conditions that initiate the episodes. We report three patients, two teenage girls and one female teacher, who developed periodic limb movement disorders associated with high mold counts in a classroom and the gymnasium in the girls' school, and in the ventilating system in the teacher's school. Their disorders occurred when they attended their schools and cleared when they did not. These findings, combined with an earlier report of three cases where the disordered movements were triggered by dietary factors, suggest that in some patients, periodic limb movement disorders may be induced by inhalant as well as by dietary factors. Although these 6 patients may represent a subgroup of people with periodic limb movement disorders, potential dietary and environmental triggers should be considered in the clinical evaluation of patients seeking treatment for periodic limb movement disorders
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Hi, you all!
I am researching it now.
It is not but should be the next time around.
Remember it will be revised and posted periodically.
I am collecting these gems.
It is not but should be the next time around.
Remember it will be revised and posted periodically.
I am collecting these gems.
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Mold is apparently still an issue as regards RLS.
Another article on mold and experiencing RLS this morning:
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Toxic Mold Syndrome Remains Controversial
The patients, ranging in age from 1.5 to 52, had all kinds of symptoms. Most had a runny nose and a cough. Others had headaches, breathing problems (including shortness of breath, wheezing, and chest tightness), itchy eyes, and nervous system problems (including dizziness, anxiety, weakness, restless legs, memory loss, and shaking), intestinal problems (including nausea, vomiting, and gut pain), nosebleed, and urinary problems.
Accompanying the study is an editorial by mold expert W. Elliott Horner, PhD, of Air Quality Sciences, Inc., in Atlanta. Horner notes that toxic mold syndrome is extremely controversial. However, he also points to a recent report by the prestigious Institute of Medicine that strongly supports the idea that damp, moldy buildings can harm people's health.
"Perhaps part of the controversy regarding the health effects of indoor mold could be [done away with] if the ill-defined phrase toxic mold syndrome> were replaced by damp building effect, which refers to a well-documented effect but avoids any claim of [cause]," Horner writes.
Horner points out there is currently no accurate way to measure mold toxins in damp buildings. Without such a tool, it is impossible to test whether toxic mold is, in fact, causing illness. Until scientists develop such tests, he says, people should stop arguing and start collecting more data. In the meantime, he urges both doctors and patients to keep an open mind about the possible toxic effects of molds.
"Although certainly not proven, the suspect with the most fingerprints at the scene seems to be mold components shed from fungal colonized construction and finishing materials and furnishings," he writes. "It is time now for data rather than diatribe."
Another article on mold and experiencing RLS this morning:
Corrie
Toxic Mold Syndrome Remains Controversial
The patients, ranging in age from 1.5 to 52, had all kinds of symptoms. Most had a runny nose and a cough. Others had headaches, breathing problems (including shortness of breath, wheezing, and chest tightness), itchy eyes, and nervous system problems (including dizziness, anxiety, weakness, restless legs, memory loss, and shaking), intestinal problems (including nausea, vomiting, and gut pain), nosebleed, and urinary problems.
Accompanying the study is an editorial by mold expert W. Elliott Horner, PhD, of Air Quality Sciences, Inc., in Atlanta. Horner notes that toxic mold syndrome is extremely controversial. However, he also points to a recent report by the prestigious Institute of Medicine that strongly supports the idea that damp, moldy buildings can harm people's health.
"Perhaps part of the controversy regarding the health effects of indoor mold could be [done away with] if the ill-defined phrase toxic mold syndrome> were replaced by damp building effect, which refers to a well-documented effect but avoids any claim of [cause]," Horner writes.
Horner points out there is currently no accurate way to measure mold toxins in damp buildings. Without such a tool, it is impossible to test whether toxic mold is, in fact, causing illness. Until scientists develop such tests, he says, people should stop arguing and start collecting more data. In the meantime, he urges both doctors and patients to keep an open mind about the possible toxic effects of molds.
"Although certainly not proven, the suspect with the most fingerprints at the scene seems to be mold components shed from fungal colonized construction and finishing materials and furnishings," he writes. "It is time now for data rather than diatribe."
The patients, ranging in age from 1.5 to 52, had all kinds of symptoms. Most had a runny nose and a cough. Others had headaches, breathing problems (including shortness of breath, wheezing, and chest tightness), itchy eyes, and nervous system problems (including dizziness, anxiety, weakness, restless legs, memory loss, and shaking), intestinal problems (including nausea, vomiting, and gut pain), nosebleed, and urinary problems.
Thats interesting. As I have headaches, itchy eyes, rls, and urinary problems. Could it be that mold is my tiger?
Jan 
Can't wait to sleep!
Can't wait to sleep!Mold, meds, nerves? What causes it, what gives?
Hi. I posted a couple weeks ago that I thought an injury to my leg led to restless legs. I posted six months ago that I thought bug bites led to it. Now I'm posting Crestor (cholesterol-lowering drug) is the culprit. I took another brand, Zocor, last year when the RLS started and did not make the connection. Went off and RLS slowly subsided. Doc put me on Crestor and RLS took off again.
We do have mold in our basement. We recently plugged holes and I inhaled a bunch of the dust, had wheezing, feeling awful for a few days.
What gives? Could be many things can cause RLS? I read here where RLS can be a primary or secondary problem. Is RLS a nerve/ muscle/ breathing/ heart primary problem, caused by any number of factors, like meds/ mold/ injury/ tumor, and you end up with RLS as a secondary problem. What is the common thread between causes? That is the question!
ANYONE ELSE GET RLS FROM CRESTOR OR ZOCOR? I want to know if these statin medications could be aggravating my condition. Whomever is doing the revised survey needs to include meds everyone is taking, and then run a program on it to select the commonality on those. Then run another program on all variables in the survey to find a link. Thanks.
We do have mold in our basement. We recently plugged holes and I inhaled a bunch of the dust, had wheezing, feeling awful for a few days.
What gives? Could be many things can cause RLS? I read here where RLS can be a primary or secondary problem. Is RLS a nerve/ muscle/ breathing/ heart primary problem, caused by any number of factors, like meds/ mold/ injury/ tumor, and you end up with RLS as a secondary problem. What is the common thread between causes? That is the question!
ANYONE ELSE GET RLS FROM CRESTOR OR ZOCOR? I want to know if these statin medications could be aggravating my condition. Whomever is doing the revised survey needs to include meds everyone is taking, and then run a program on it to select the commonality on those. Then run another program on all variables in the survey to find a link. Thanks.
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Dogeyed, in my mind, primary RLS only has one cause: brain doesn't work right, definitely genetic in most cases. Now for secondary, that's a different issue. Many things CAN cause secondary RLS including surgery, pregnancy, kidney problems, back injury, spinals, Parkinson's, fibro, etc. Meds can make it worse, but I've not heard (doesn't mean it isn't so) that meds cause RLS. Make it worse, yes. I'm not an expert, but everything I've read indicates that you either have it first and other things aggravate it or "jumpstart" it, or you get it from the secondary things and you can get remission if you remove the secondary cause (if it can be removed and in many cases it can't).
I guess it's easy for me. Mine is primary and I know it's caused by brain cells not working correctly. It makes it easy when I think about treatment. I don't even try things that don't work on resolving that. For those of you who don't have primary, it must be harder. If you have one of the known secondary causes, it's probably also easy.
I don't know where the mold link comes in, but molds can be toxic to our nervous system, which can cause strange things to happen. In this case, I would think it was secondary and when the person was removed from the mold, then the symptoms would go away.
Thinking while typing,
Ann
I guess it's easy for me. Mine is primary and I know it's caused by brain cells not working correctly. It makes it easy when I think about treatment. I don't even try things that don't work on resolving that. For those of you who don't have primary, it must be harder. If you have one of the known secondary causes, it's probably also easy.
I don't know where the mold link comes in, but molds can be toxic to our nervous system, which can cause strange things to happen. In this case, I would think it was secondary and when the person was removed from the mold, then the symptoms would go away.
Thinking while typing,
Ann
Dogeyed--
Hello, again! There's definitely a primary (genetic, and usually life-long) type of RLS... AND a secondary (caused by "something else"-- meds, injury, illness) type, as well.
What I think is PROBABLY the issue with things like mold a lot of times is that if you have primary RLS, mold or meds or other conditions/substances CAN exacerbate your condition/symptoms. We already have documented a number of meds that definitely exacerbate RLS symptoms for multiple people. Crestor might well do the same thing, and I hope that folks who've taken it will see you message (if you don't get any replies, post a new topic with Crestor in the subject line!
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Can mold CAUSE RLS, perhaps that's possible, too. It would be a secondary cause in that case. I think that meds and injuries are well-documented as causes. And the question then, I guess, would be, if you stop taking the med or are no longer exposed to the mold, will the RLS go away forever or lessen in severity or what???
You're right, it's something to look at carefully, and through a group like this, we have a good variety of ages, experiences, severities, lifestyle and living conditions to compare!
Hard to know what did cause yours, because some of us here now believe we have primary RLS and probably had SOME symptoms all our lives (this is MY case), but we didn't recognize them for what they were until they got worse later on. Injuries and meds and environmental conditions, I believe, CAN and DO make existing RLS worse -- but yes, we know that they can also trigger it secondarily. I think that your best bet is to trace back to the EARLIEST symptoms and possible cause, and try to think it through from that standpoint.
In my understanding, RLS is an issue of dopamine delivery through our spine, so it's neurological, not heart or lung. But brain and body chemicals are a complex issue, and I'm not convinced that even researchers really UNDERSTAND what all might affect that yet!
Hang in there!
Sara
Hello, again! There's definitely a primary (genetic, and usually life-long) type of RLS... AND a secondary (caused by "something else"-- meds, injury, illness) type, as well.
What I think is PROBABLY the issue with things like mold a lot of times is that if you have primary RLS, mold or meds or other conditions/substances CAN exacerbate your condition/symptoms. We already have documented a number of meds that definitely exacerbate RLS symptoms for multiple people. Crestor might well do the same thing, and I hope that folks who've taken it will see you message (if you don't get any replies, post a new topic with Crestor in the subject line!
)
Can mold CAUSE RLS, perhaps that's possible, too. It would be a secondary cause in that case. I think that meds and injuries are well-documented as causes. And the question then, I guess, would be, if you stop taking the med or are no longer exposed to the mold, will the RLS go away forever or lessen in severity or what???
You're right, it's something to look at carefully, and through a group like this, we have a good variety of ages, experiences, severities, lifestyle and living conditions to compare!
Hard to know what did cause yours, because some of us here now believe we have primary RLS and probably had SOME symptoms all our lives (this is MY case), but we didn't recognize them for what they were until they got worse later on. Injuries and meds and environmental conditions, I believe, CAN and DO make existing RLS worse -- but yes, we know that they can also trigger it secondarily. I think that your best bet is to trace back to the EARLIEST symptoms and possible cause, and try to think it through from that standpoint.
In my understanding, RLS is an issue of dopamine delivery through our spine, so it's neurological, not heart or lung. But brain and body chemicals are a complex issue, and I'm not convinced that even researchers really UNDERSTAND what all might affect that yet!
Hang in there!
Sara
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I am glad that you mentioned the mold situation because 3 years ago I lived with my parents for a couple of years when they bought a mobile home, and a year later we started noticing mold, so they went through all kinds of procedures and finally got specialists to come check out the mold. It ended up being a very dangerous type of mold and we had to move out of the home and my parents went through a major lawsuit about it. I wonder id that could be the cause of my RLS. If you could tell me where you found that information? I am really interested. Thanks!
Jamie
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Jamie, it is an extract from Int J Neuroscience nov 2004, found on www.pubmed.com, enter restless legs/mold.
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